I got this random message on Stumbleupon recently. I always enjoy senseless debates with ultra-religious people whose capacity for critical thought is obviously non-existent or heavily damaged, so this ought to be interesting.

It actually reminds me of some interactions with religious nutcases who like to come to my door. I recorded them once and put it up on YouTube. They didn’t want to be on YouTube and evidently someone complained because YouTube pulled the video.

It was pretty benign, but one of them came back after it had been pulled (I discovered later) and she was accompanied by a couple of absolute fanatics almost screaming at me about “mother Mary.” I wasn’t in the mood for it that day, but I wish I had been. I ought to post the video here sometime. I kind of miss that video as it had the highest views of all of them. I quite understand the entry people put on Facebook for religion: “I don’t have a problem with Jesus, it’s just his followers I can’t stand.”

Anyway, on with the story! I get this random message:

RANDOM RELIGIOUS STUMBLER: You haven’t even ONE CLUE about Israel.

How can I resist this?  I replied.

ME: Oh really? Why is that? I’m curious. :)

Obviously they’re off fighting other religious battles. The one with me is a minor skirmish (at this point).

RANDOM RELIGIOUS STUMBLER: I saw something…been a little bit now & I f0orgot exactly what it was as I have access to many different Social websites..and stay at none of them primarily. I see what I said…and I wouldn’t have stated that if someone was not, AGAIN spreading propaganda against Almighty’s God’s chosen people &/or maligning Israel for the purpose of evil..

If you know me, I can’t let something like that go. I responded, resisting the urge to simply call them a fucking idiot.

ME: Aha, well, just because you say it is so, does not mean that it is.

One cannot be critical of the actions of the Israeli government without being accused of being a propagandist or evil? Honestly, I don’t know where some people get their ideas, but it’s absurd. How would you explain Jews who are critical of their own government’s actions?

Are they “just” self-hating Jews? Hardly. One can be critical of injustice and criminal behaviour wherever it occurs. I don’t care if these acts are committed by atheists, Jews, Christians or Muslims.

You probably spotted a comment I’ve made many times. If the world wasn’t watching, we’d probably see the Israelis commit the same acts of genocide on the Palestinians. That doesn’t excuse the Palestinians for their crimes either, as both sides are guilty of them.

Not sure who appointed you the defender of Israel, but they seem to be doing well on their own. Perhaps you could examine the actions of “God’s chosen people” with a critical eye. They’ll certainly be judged for their crimes and sins as much as the Palestinians.

I just sent off the response, so I’m curious what the response will be. I will keep you posted.

Just got a message back.

RANDOM RELIGIOUS STUMBLER: I don’t have but a moment right now…so I will suffice it say…just Like I said..you don’t know what you speak of..you talk from a deluded world view that I have read before. You have NO id3ea what the Arabs who choose Israel over Islam -except those who live under the 56 nations of radical Islam.

I know the Jews are not perfect! Silly rabbit! NOR are they responsible for every godless act and agenda that mankind brings upon itself.

You sound like a holocaust denier–it is thew Jews who that happened to dear. ALL ISRAEL WANTS IS TO LIVE IN PEACE–YOUR ISLAMIC BUDDIES WON’T LET THEM.

Yes…woe is me..I didn’t keep me “cool” in the sparse amount of time..But you see I have NO patience for CLUE LES SAND THOUGHTLESS INDIVIDUALS WHO NEITHER RESEARCH THE REAL DEAL..BUT INSTEAD SEEMS TO HAVE Islamic/Nazi/Marxist / Socialist agenda.

With that I bib you adieu.

My response back:

ME: Well, it’s obvious your capacity for critical thought is somewhat diminished. Hope you get some help with that, but I’m not optimistic about your chances to come out of this with open eyes.

Perhaps you could ask some of my Jewish friends whether I’m a Nazi or a holocaust denier. I am neither. We know the holocaust happened. There’s no denying it.

I do have a couple of friends who are Muslim, but I don’t see them often. I don’t remember them saying anything about how they won’t let Israel live in peace, but I’ll ask them about it next time I see them. I’ll ask them nicely to just stop it.

Funny how you can label me as having an Islamic/Nazi/Marxist/Socialist agenda from some random comment you can’t even remember. I appreciate your thoroughness though.

I believe in socialized medicine. Does that make me a socialist? If so, I think that is a good thing. I’m Canadian. We appreciate that sort of thing here. I actually have a doctor’s appointment next week and I won’t have to sell my car so I can see the doctor. I like cars. I like the doctor. I like that I don’t have to declare bankruptcy after having surgery.

Now, I know you’re going to pray for me, and I appreciate it, but I don’t need the help. Thanks anyway!

This likely will end badly… with people knocking on my door, holding literature just for me. No, not a warrant for my arrest. I think it’ll be the Watchtower.

(Freedom of religion? How about my freedom to not to have to listen to your BS?)

 

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