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		<title>By: Alain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In talking with some people I understand there are some free places to park, but I haven&#039;t found them. I don&#039;t feel like taking chances with tickets either. This city has a long way to go before that sort of enlightenment!

If other motorcycle/scooter riders park properly, it&#039;s easy to fit two bikes in one spot. I&#039;ve done that quite a few times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In talking with some people I understand there are some free places to park, but I haven&#8217;t found them. I don&#8217;t feel like taking chances with tickets either. This city has a long way to go before that sort of enlightenment!</p>
<p>If other motorcycle/scooter riders park properly, it&#8217;s easy to fit two bikes in one spot. I&#8217;ve done that quite a few times.</p>
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		<title>By: M Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scooter and motorcycle free parking - absolutely a great idea.  Halifax and Toronto have it, as do many other cities in North America.  I have a 50 cc Vespa scooter that I could communite to work with.  I can run it for an entire month for $4.   But... it costs $12 a day to park it downtown so I drive instead.   If this City is truly committed to sustainability, it will need to work with its business/parking lot owners to commit to change.  There are so many ways to get cars off the road.  Free (or reduced) scooter and motorcycle parking is definitely one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scooter and motorcycle free parking &#8211; absolutely a great idea.  Halifax and Toronto have it, as do many other cities in North America.  I have a 50 cc Vespa scooter that I could communite to work with.  I can run it for an entire month for $4.   But&#8230; it costs $12 a day to park it downtown so I drive instead.   If this City is truly committed to sustainability, it will need to work with its business/parking lot owners to commit to change.  There are so many ways to get cars off the road.  Free (or reduced) scooter and motorcycle parking is definitely one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Recap: TransitCamp Edmonton at MasterMaq&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://alainsaffel.com/edmonton-transit-camp-yegtransit/comment-page-1/#comment-2220</link>
		<dc:creator>Recap: TransitCamp Edmonton at MasterMaq&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] site with slides, resources, and more information over the next couple weeks. Be sure to check out Alain’s post on the event, and the iNews880 coverage also. Sharon took a few photos during the day, which you can see here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] site with slides, resources, and more information over the next couple weeks. Be sure to check out Alain’s post on the event, and the iNews880 coverage also. Sharon took a few photos during the day, which you can see here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alain Saffel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alain Saffel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll go with DJ in suggesting Edmonton keep the LRT underground downtown as much as possible. It&#039;ll cause far fewer problems.

I don&#039;t see the point in developing a whole new line to come to downtown just to link to the airport. I think they can do it with the same line, by using LRT. It wouldn&#039;t be that bad.

Or, bring it to a point in the southern part of the city where you can transfer.

While now it may make more sense just to go by car to the airport, it&#039;s not going to continue that way as the city grows. What&#039;s the big deal if you have to stop a few times on the LRT? You&#039;re saving money by not having to park and you can relax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll go with DJ in suggesting Edmonton keep the LRT underground downtown as much as possible. It&#8217;ll cause far fewer problems.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the point in developing a whole new line to come to downtown just to link to the airport. I think they can do it with the same line, by using LRT. It wouldn&#8217;t be that bad.</p>
<p>Or, bring it to a point in the southern part of the city where you can transfer.</p>
<p>While now it may make more sense just to go by car to the airport, it&#8217;s not going to continue that way as the city grows. What&#8217;s the big deal if you have to stop a few times on the LRT? You&#8217;re saving money by not having to park and you can relax.</p>
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		<title>By: Alain Saffel</title>
		<link>http://alainsaffel.com/edmonton-transit-camp-yegtransit/comment-page-1/#comment-2215</link>
		<dc:creator>Alain Saffel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what do you think about having free parking for motorcycles and scooters in downtown Edmonton?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what do you think about having free parking for motorcycles and scooters in downtown Edmonton?</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Learn from Calgary&#039;s mistake. Keep your LRT downtown underground if you can. I&#039;d guess 75% of our LRT collisions happen at downtown crossings. (No arms or warning lights, just stop lights that people think they can run.) 

Other than this our LRT works very very well. TransitCamp opened my eyes a little to low floor however. Because Calgary has high floor LRT it does not integrate well with existing neighbourhoods and has to have a dedicated right of way - often putting lines in areas that are not the most convenient. This impacts ridership and the effectiveness of the system as a whole.

From what I heard it seems like the Edmonton system is pretty well thought out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learn from Calgary&#8217;s mistake. Keep your LRT downtown underground if you can. I&#8217;d guess 75% of our LRT collisions happen at downtown crossings. (No arms or warning lights, just stop lights that people think they can run.) </p>
<p>Other than this our LRT works very very well. TransitCamp opened my eyes a little to low floor however. Because Calgary has high floor LRT it does not integrate well with existing neighbourhoods and has to have a dedicated right of way &#8211; often putting lines in areas that are not the most convenient. This impacts ridership and the effectiveness of the system as a whole.</p>
<p>From what I heard it seems like the Edmonton system is pretty well thought out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alain, I agree with your points on the improved traffic light system. While there are areas that could probably be improved right now, that will have to something to consider with this futuristic streetcar idea and more buses.

I think dedicated lanes can work, if the traffic lights help move the mass transit vehicles a little out of the way of the rest of traffic. Not only would the dedicated lanes improve flow of like-directed cars, an advanced light system can get them out of the way for turning vehicles. That improved speed and efficiency will start to make transit a better option and get more people out of their personal vehicles, which clears up the roads even more.

I think something like this can be tested right away on a street like Whyte Avenue. Test out a day (or more) turning the on-street parking into a transit lane. Some of the biggest slowdowns come from transit and cars trying to do the same thing.

On the airports...I can accept the argument that &quot;LRT&quot; doesn&#039;t move fast enough to compete with the 110 km/h highway speed into the City. It doesn&#039;t mean that International hub can&#039;t be even a pie-in-the-sky idea in the 100-year plan.

If the train, however, gets to do 80 km/h from the city limits to Century Park or Southgate it&#039;s got an advantage over drivers that have to slow down north of the Henday. Plus, if you make that airport train dedicated to air travelers it would be a cheap ride with comfortable space. Ideally I would have a train or some kind of mass transit vehicle come right up to Whyte/University, Downtown or what will (hopefully) no longer be a tiny airport but a thriving residential community and business centre north of Kingsway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alain, I agree with your points on the improved traffic light system. While there are areas that could probably be improved right now, that will have to something to consider with this futuristic streetcar idea and more buses.</p>
<p>I think dedicated lanes can work, if the traffic lights help move the mass transit vehicles a little out of the way of the rest of traffic. Not only would the dedicated lanes improve flow of like-directed cars, an advanced light system can get them out of the way for turning vehicles. That improved speed and efficiency will start to make transit a better option and get more people out of their personal vehicles, which clears up the roads even more.</p>
<p>I think something like this can be tested right away on a street like Whyte Avenue. Test out a day (or more) turning the on-street parking into a transit lane. Some of the biggest slowdowns come from transit and cars trying to do the same thing.</p>
<p>On the airports&#8230;I can accept the argument that &#8220;LRT&#8221; doesn&#8217;t move fast enough to compete with the 110 km/h highway speed into the City. It doesn&#8217;t mean that International hub can&#8217;t be even a pie-in-the-sky idea in the 100-year plan.</p>
<p>If the train, however, gets to do 80 km/h from the city limits to Century Park or Southgate it&#8217;s got an advantage over drivers that have to slow down north of the Henday. Plus, if you make that airport train dedicated to air travelers it would be a cheap ride with comfortable space. Ideally I would have a train or some kind of mass transit vehicle come right up to Whyte/University, Downtown or what will (hopefully) no longer be a tiny airport but a thriving residential community and business centre north of Kingsway.</p>
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		<title>By: Alain Saffel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alain Saffel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was DJ Kelly that mentioned Calgary&#039;s LRT system is on a priority right of way but runs into traffic issues.

I guess my worry is that by creating a dedicated right of way for transit in downtown will make an already bad traffic situation worse.

One thing that would help traffic downtown in less well travelled areas is to have smarter traffic lights. Away from Jasper you&#039;ll wait forever for some of these lights. Why can&#039;t they have a timer and demand system?

Also, the timing of lights is ridiculous on some major thoroughfares and actually hinders traffic. At certain times of day, the timing of the lights should facilitate traffic flow rather than hinder it. Maybe a few million invested in these systems would make traffic better and alleviate some of the congestion issues. 

The priority system for transit is a hindrance for traffic in several areas around Edmonton. More street level transit will only make it worse, especially with more frequent trains. I&#039;m not convinced that street level LRT will make things better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was DJ Kelly that mentioned Calgary&#8217;s LRT system is on a priority right of way but runs into traffic issues.</p>
<p>I guess my worry is that by creating a dedicated right of way for transit in downtown will make an already bad traffic situation worse.</p>
<p>One thing that would help traffic downtown in less well travelled areas is to have smarter traffic lights. Away from Jasper you&#8217;ll wait forever for some of these lights. Why can&#8217;t they have a timer and demand system?</p>
<p>Also, the timing of lights is ridiculous on some major thoroughfares and actually hinders traffic. At certain times of day, the timing of the lights should facilitate traffic flow rather than hinder it. Maybe a few million invested in these systems would make traffic better and alleviate some of the congestion issues. </p>
<p>The priority system for transit is a hindrance for traffic in several areas around Edmonton. More street level transit will only make it worse, especially with more frequent trains. I&#8217;m not convinced that street level LRT will make things better.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Iveson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Iveson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I mean Alain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I mean Alain.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Iveson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Iveson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Allan. Any lrt, including low floor would run with priority in a dedicated right of way, so on street but definitely not in traffic. Mixed with traffic is &#039;tram&#039; or &#039;streetcar&#039;. That&#039;s not recommended at all. That could have been clearer, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Allan. Any lrt, including low floor would run with priority in a dedicated right of way, so on street but definitely not in traffic. Mixed with traffic is &#8216;tram&#8217; or &#8216;streetcar&#8217;. That&#8217;s not recommended at all. That could have been clearer, though.</p>
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